The water path / a gutter and drainage manual for St. Louis Keys Roofing / (314) 220-2333
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A manual, not a brochure / Greater St. Louis

Seamless Gutters for St. Louis Homes

A gutter is a pipe that has been flattened and hung sideways. It has one job, which is to catch what the roof sheds and put it somewhere that is not against your house. Most gutter problems in this town are not clogs. They are undersized troughs, sagging runs, and a downspout emptying eight inches from a foundation wall.

Keys Roofing does roofing, gutters and downspouts. Call (314) 220-2333.

A white perforated metal gutter guard fitted the length of a gutter along the eave of a weathered dark shingle roof, with two bare twigs and a few small dark scraps of debris lying on top of the perforations, a white sided wall and a brick chimney above and a wooden fence and fallen autumn leaves on the lawn below
The visible half of the system: the trough at the eave, here with a perforated metal guard over it, and the leaves already down around it. Look at the middle of the run and there are already two bare twigs lying across the holes. Everything else that decides whether this works is out of frame at both ends, up on the roof and down at the ground.

The water path / five stages

Follow one storm from the ridge to wherever it finally soaks in

Everything on this site sits somewhere on this path. Four of these five stages are sold in St. Louis by somebody. The fifth is the one that actually damages houses, and almost nobody here sells it at all.

01 / FIELD

The roof sheds

Shingles move water down the slope. Steeper and larger means faster, and faster is the whole reason gutter sizing is not one size for every house on the street.

02 / VALLEY

Two planes converge

A valley concentrates the flow of two roof faces into one line. Whatever gutter sits under the bottom of a valley is taking a firehose, not a sprinkle.

03 / TROUGH

The gutter holds it

Only for a moment. A gutter is a queue, not a reservoir. If the outlet cannot empty it as fast as the roof fills it, the trough overshoots no matter how clean it is.

04 / DOWNSPOUT

It goes vertical

Six square inches of opening on a two by three, twelve on a three by four. This is the throat of the whole system and it is where most of them are choked.

05 / GROUND

And then nobody looks

The last ten feet. Splash block, extension, or a buried line to daylight. This stage decides whether your basement is dry, and it is the stage almost nobody merchandises.


Stage 03 / the trough

Seamless means the joints stop being the story

Seamless gutter is rolled on site out of a coil, so a forty foot run of gutter is one continuous forty foot piece of metal. The only joints on it are at the corners, at the end caps and at the outlets, and those are places you can see, seal and inspect.

Sectional gutter, the kind sold in ten foot lengths, is joined every ten feet. Each of those joints is a lap of metal and a bead of sealant, and sealant is the only thing in the assembly with a short life. Every one of them is a leak with a date on it. You will not usually see the drip. You will see the stain that appears on the fascia underneath it two years later, and by then the wood has been wet for two years.

None of that makes seamless magic. It moves the failure points from twenty places to four. The longer version is here.

A continuous white gutter run with a black mesh guard along the full eave of a weathered shingle roof, with the driveway and the street below
A full run seen from the roof, unbroken from corner to corner. The black in the trough is a mesh guard, not debris. Sight down a gutter like this from one end and the pitch, or the absence of it, shows up better than from any ladder.
5 IN K-STYLE TROUGH 6 IN K-STYLE TROUGH DOWNSPOUT 2 IN X 3 IN DOWNSPOUT 3 IN X 4 IN 6 sq in 12 sq in STANDARD ON MOST HOUSES WHAT A BIG STEEP ROOF ACTUALLY NEEDS

Figure 1 · The two downspout rectangles are drawn to the same scale. Two by three is six square inches of opening. Three by four is twelve. That part is not an estimate, it is multiplication, and it is the single biggest lever on how fast a gutter empties.

Downspout 2 in x 3 in6 sq inThe default on most St. Louis houses, and adequate on most of them.
Downspout 3 in x 4 in12 sq inExactly twice the opening. On a large or steep roof this is the difference between a gutter that works and one that overshoots.
Trough, 5 in to 6 inAbout a third to a halfDepends on the profile. A six inch trough also accepts the bigger outlet, and that matters more than the extra trough does.

Say the unflattering thing

Bigger is not automatically right

Six inch gutter costs more, looks heavier on a small house, and on a modest single-storey ranch it is money spent on capacity you will never use. Sizing is a judgement about roof area, pitch and how many outlets a run can be given, not a product upgrade. Anyone quoting six inch before they have looked at your roof is quoting a price list, not your house. How the decision actually gets made.

Stage 05 / the part nobody sells

A downspout that empties at the wall has moved the problem, not solved it

Take every square foot of roof on one side of a house. Funnel it into one pipe. Now point that pipe at the ground twelve inches from the footing, and do that every time it rains, for a decade.

That is a normal, code-legal, extremely common downspout termination, and it is a slow-motion soaking of the exact soil that is supposed to be holding your foundation up. Backfill around a foundation is looser than undisturbed ground, so it takes water preferentially. The result shows up years later as a damp basement wall, efflorescence on the block, a settled corner, or a crack that gets blamed on the age of the house.

The fixes are not exotic. A longer extension helps. Regrading helps. A buried line carrying the discharge past the backfill zone and out to daylight down the slope fixes it, and it is invisible once the sod goes back.

Keys does downspout reroutes, extensions and underground drainage, which is a genuinely uncommon thing for a roofing company in this market to offer at all.

Finished grey architectural shingle roof photographed along the ridge, with a ridge vent running the length and an older St. Louis street below
An ordinary older street, houses close together, gutters on every one of them. A downspout is only finished when somebody can say where the water ends up, and on most of these nobody ever has.

Reading order

Three pages, in this order, if you have a wet basement

What water at the foundation actually does, then the last ten feet, then underground drainage to daylight. If you only read one, read the middle one.

The manual

Ten pages, each one a question somebody has already asked us on a ladder

No order is required. Each page is written to be finished and then acted on, and each one says at least one thing that is bad for selling gutters.

A gutter fitted with a black mesh guard running along the eave of a weathered brown shingle roof, photographed from a ladder
A guard fitted into an existing gutter on a roof that is well past new. This is the exact situation the guards page is about, and the reason we ask how old the roof is before quoting one.

What Keys does

Three things, on purpose

Roofing, gutters and downspouts. No siding, no windows, no commercial work. Shingle work is Atlas and Malarkey.

  • Seamless gutter formed on site from coil, sized to the roof rather than to a price list.
  • Downspouts, outlets and reroutes, including adding outlets to a run that only ever had one.
  • Gutter guards, fitted where they earn their place, and talked about honestly where they do not.
  • Underground drainage to daylight, which is the reason this desk exists.
  • Roof replacement, repair and inspection, because the gutter is the bottom edge of a roof and the two are one system.

If the gutter conversation turns out to be a roof conversation, or the other way round, you are talking to the same people either way.

Ask about gutters or drainage

Tell us what the water is doing

The useful message is not 'I need gutters'. It is 'it overflows at the back left corner in a hard rain' or 'the downspout by the patio has killed the grass and the basement wall is damp on that side'. That tells us whether this is a sizing problem, a pitch problem or a drainage problem before anyone gets on a ladder.

No obligation, no pressure, and if the honest answer is that your gutters are fine and the problem is grade, we will say that.

(314) 220-2333

Straight through to the Keys office. Roofing, gutters and downspouts only, across greater St. Louis.

A name and a number is enough. Someone from Keys will call you back.